Maplewood History: Bartold’s Grove (continued)

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I’ve deliberately rerun the Bartold’s Grove post immediately after the rerun of the post about Sutton’s Cave because of the cave connection. I’m talking about the cave connection as a subject and not as an underground passage but who knows? Brian Peters posted a fascinating comment after the first Sutton’s Cave posting.  It is reprinted below with my response.

Brian Peters

8:09 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012

I brought this story up to my father, and SURPRISE TO ME. As a child, my father and his friends used to play in these caves. This was likely in the late 1940’s early 1950’s. He told me some very interesting things about the cave. The article is correct, it is VERY large. My father said that they would enter at a certain place near Sutton and Manchester and that they would walk west towards Brentwood. (there was also mention about a former bank in Maplewood who’s vault backed up to the cave, so at a certain point you could see a smooth concrete wall…I don’t think it’s a bank anymore, but this is what my father told me) They would tie off a small rope, in case they had to go this way or that.

The cave as he knew it stretched all the way along Manchester Road into Brentwood (just west of the new Schnucks there) where they would exit. He recalls that the cave seemed to extend further west toward Rock Hill, but that they never went that way. They stuck to what they knew. He said that some places could narrow down to crawlspaces, and in other areas, there could be waterholes that you would have to wade or swim through. He said if it had rained recently, it wasn’t a good idea to explore.

He also noted several exit points along the way. Something about a house that used to be on a hill at Brentwood and Manchester. The entrance was in front of the house, surrounded by bushes, and you would have to crawl on your hands and knees through the bushes to find the hole.

Reply Doug Houser

12:31 am on Tuesday, June 26, 2012

Brian, your comment is very interesting. Several points are nearly identical to ones in a story told to me by a retired Maplewood firefighter, Dewey Eberhardt, who was living in Shrewsbury when we last spoke.

According to Dewey a tunnel exists that runs from Citizen’s Bank in Maplewood to the NW corner of Brentwood and Manchester. There it surfaces and has a concrete cap. I’m fairly certain he was talking about a man made tunnel and not a natural cave. I forget what purpose this tunnel served.

Roughly midway between those two points was once the location of a roadhouse known as the Eight Mile House (8 miles from downtown St. Louis). It was later called Bartold’s Grove and was a popular hotel and resort. The hotel was located at the SE corner of present day Manchester and Hanley. The building was built in the 1840’s and survived into the 1950’s or possibly the early 60’s. The hotel was built into the hill below the present location of the Sunnen Corporation’s headquarters. It was 3 stories in front and walk out at ground level from the 3rd story in the rear.

I hadn’t thought about why it had been built in such a manner until the subject came up in conversation with one of the cavers mentioned above (Sutton Cave post). These passionate fellows search the historic record for mention of caves. He had noticed that the Bartold Inn had later been renamed as Cool Cave Tavern. There you have it. One of the features that made Bartold’s Grove such an attractive destination was its beer garden. The building must have backed up to a cave and may have taken advantage of the natural air conditioning as well as having a giant beer cooler close at hand.

Well, I was speculating.  The last sentence I’d edit today to read “might have” instead of “must have”.  It occurs to me that these three or possibly four caves are pretty much in line with one another.  It seems unlikely that they are all connected or ever were.  But it is definitely interesting how large or long they seem to be according to these accounts.

Doug Houser  May 4, 2016

I can't recall if I found this online or someone sent it to me. If the latter is the case I apologize for misplacing that info. I don't know if this is our Frederick Bartold, perhaps his father or of no concern to us at all.
I can’t recall if I found this online or someone sent it to me. If the latter is the case I apologize for misplacing that info. I don’t know if this is our Frederick Bartold, perhaps his father or of no concern to us at all.
Trouble at Bartold's. An 1896 article from the Post-Dispatch. The low resoulution that i'm forced to post these images at may make it impossible for you to read this.
Trouble at Bartold’s. A Jan 5, 1899 article from the Post-Dispatch. The low resolution that I’m forced to post these images at may make it impossible for you to read this.
The second half of the article. Interesting because it mentions the community of Edgewood located between Maplewood and Bartold's.
The second half of the article. Interesting because it mentions the now completely vanished community of “Edgewood (correction: should read Edgebrook) which lies between Maplewood and the grove”.
Here we can put faces on some of these troublemakers. Collection of Martin Fischer.
Here we can put faces on some of these troublemakers. Collection of Martin Fischer.
and names. This is the back of the previous photo. Collection of Martin Fischer.
And names. This is the back of the previous photo. Collection of Martin Fischer.
Another group of the rascals. Collection of Martin Fischer.
Another group of the rascals. Collection of Martin Fischer.
The back of the photo reveals why they caused so much trouble. They were from Richmond Heights. Collection of Martin Fischer.
The back of the photo reveals why they caused so much trouble. They were from Richmond Heights. Collection of Martin Fischer.
Manchester at Hanley road in 1934. By my reckoning the photographer could have been standing in front of Bartold's Inn or just a little west. Doesn't look so very prosperous there, does it? Courtesy of Tom Grellner.
Manchester at Hanley Road in 1934. By my reckoning the photographer could have been standing in front of Bartold’s Inn or just a little west of it. Doesn’t look so very prosperous, does it? Courtesy of Tom Grellner.  Tom, as most of us older Maplewoodians know, was the long time director of the Parks Department  and caretaker of the original Maplewood Pool.  Hope you’re doing well, Tom.
another view of the same intersection obviously taken the same day as the previous one. this time we're looking south down Hanley to where it dead ended at Manchester. Courtesy of Tom Grellner.
Another view of the same intersection obviously taken the same day as the previous one. This time we’re looking south down Hanley to where it dead ended at Manchester. I would love to find the archive of photographs from this Lange Studio.  I wonder if they survive anywhere.  Courtesy of Tom Grellner.
this ran in the Post-Dispatch on Nov. 19, 1922.
This ran in the Post-Dispatch on Nov. 19, 1922.

 

10 COMMENTS

  1. Doug,
    I remember hearing stories of the cave and a natural spring that ran behind Bartold’s as the reason why it was so popular. At the time Manchester road was the only road out to the town of Manchester, Mo.
    One great source of info if you haven’t tried yet is John H. Sanders, the longtime teacher at M-RH and coach. He still lives in Manchester and I believe is either near or just past 100 years old. He was full of info from back in the days.
    Bill

    • Hey Bill, Thanks for adding to our knowledge of Bartold’s Grove. Thanks also for the tip about Mr. Sanders. I think I’ve met him. Wasn’t his nickname Howdy? If you or anyone has any contact info I’d love to talk to him.

      • The first or second Tues he has been at Uncles Bills pancake rest. on Manchester. A group meets from MRH meets out there.

        • Thanks for that information, Phil. A call to the restaurant might pin their meeting day down.

  2. Just noticed this, Doug. “Edgebrook” should replace “Edgewood” in the quote: “Edgewood which lies between Maplewood and the grove”. Thanks for the spelunking info!

    • I feel exactly the same as you, Wanda. Maybe we could have one of those sewer guys run his camera through it? Then we could watch it on TV.

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